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What if a tulpa in the beginning is just a projection? How should we accelerate progress without assuming in your opinion, @SkyeNet ? Not that I'm against your values but I remind you that people have different criteria. Some of them value progress over consistency. Do you think they can achieve the same progress in similar time without assuming?

I will respond in #tulpa-discussion.

Then please do! I also find this very interesting (edited)

3:05 PM

She already did 8h before now

3:06 PM

Oh...

Hi

Hey. What's up, do you need some help, @Roch ☁ ?

Yes

12:05 PM

With narrating please

In what sense do you need help with narration?

@Roch ☁ talk to your tulpa constantly throughout the day

2:06 PM

whenever you can afford to focus on it

2:06 PM

its a very effective early forcing method

2:06 PM

it keeps your attention on the tulpa

Okay

2:22 PM

Thanks

that helped me, narration is keY!

I find it helpful to direct my thoughts and words towards my thoughtform’s “presence.”

I do think where you direct it does matter somewhat, although I think the "idea" of a personality is the personality in its own right, as the idea should change as the person changes, the "presence" is a good abstract way too point your narration if the "idea" seems to abstract to find.

2:16 AM

I would call the feeling of awareness or presence to be the real meaning of a self. The thing that one refers to when one refers to themselves. (edited)

did anyone do any vocality exercises that worked?

Hmm, no. I think I just kept talking to her until she spoke back.

Well, this is the sort of advice you never want to hear and isn't really helpful, but forcing over a long period of time is pretty effective.

Although, if I were to think of one, I would likely work on making a mind voice for the tulpa. I feel like know what they sound like may help. I am unsure. I just narrated a lot.

keep getting distracted and forgetting to narrate >.>

Have you set up reminders?

oh

3:50 AM

examples?

Set your phone/desktop background to a picture of their form, so that when you open it and see it you are reminded, setting an alarm to remind you. Tying a string around your wrist and when you see it, use it as a trigger to remember the tulpa.

ah i remember that from a while ago

It can help. I would strongly recommend it.

I must admit my host saved my form on his computer so he could glance to make sure the form matched correctly. I don't think it was entirely necessary in my case, but he wanted to be sure. It's fine if it isn't perfect or if there are some changes they like to make, and sometimes this occurs as the form loses its specific definition in memory between seeing the picture and visualizing it.

Question about terminology. Is “parallel thoughtstreams” the same as “parallel processing”?

define parallel thoughtstreams

9:38 AM

talking at the same time as your tupp is techinically parrallel processing by my definitions

I have never heard the term parallel thoughtstreams before. Sounds like it was used to refer to roughly the same thing, maintaining two streams of thought at once. That is parallel processing.

10:02 AM

Parallel processing is a much broader term in this community, though.

Yeah, you got it tewi. I think I read it somewhere.

The more people come up with mysterious terms for already established terms, the more confusion becomes apparent.

Well hello this is the first thing I'm saying on this server besides my introduction, I am definitely a beginner at this and only started a few days ago. I am trying to get used to all the terminology for things atm and such. I was wondering if there are few things ya'll be willing to tell me like tips, warnings, etc, basically just the basics (I have read some stuff online as well) in your words.

Just make a friend with an imaginary character.

Alright

@astarius. I am unsure what to tell you, unless you ask more specifically about something.

Okay

3:14 PM

forming questions atm

Alright. Feel free to ask when you have them formed.

Okay, thank you.

3:15 PM

Alright, so I keep seeing a lot of people mentioning "narrating", what do they mean by that?

Speaking to the tulpa, usually this is used to refer to a tulpa that is not yet vocal, otherwise they just call it talking.

Alright, thanks

@astarius. your name is a cute

Thank you lol

also, since I'm a dirty shiller

3:57 PM

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-deconstruction-of-the-newcomer-s-tulpa-mentality

Deconstruction of the Newcomer's Tulpa Mentality

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lCGh...sp=sharing Like, Share, and Subscribe for more content. Joking aside, decided I'd finally post this here since I'm active in this community via the discord.

3:57 PM

I'd suggest reading this thing by my host

Okay, thanks ^^

Oh, I have not seen this before. Very interesting, Annabell.

I like it

host wrote it ~7 months ago, I think? Only recently put it up on .info though

7:18 PM

it's been on Reddit much longer

I must have missed it when it first came out. My attendance has been spotty for a few years now.

Unfortunately, most common approach to tulpas is quite wishful

That happens to be the nature of the practice.

Nice essay

I like it but there are some parts I don't think are giving reality a fair shake.

8:11 PM

Like, the parallel use of different portions of the brain to perform different tasks, and particularly it's limitation to a certain age due to the high brain plasticity of young people. I think, in most respects, most humans develop subconscious processes as they grow and learn in the same way. I don't think tulpamancy when happening to the youngest of people would be capable of resulting in the tulpa and host having the capacity to use the brain for different tasks. For example, my host does have the ability to think and walk, and there is some subconscious process that somehow is a compasskeeper and directs his movement to the destination despite us not consciously knowing where it is.

8:14 PM

I guess what I mean to say is, I don't think there's strong evidence that the addition of a tulpa can lead to any significant increase in one's capacity to offload processes. I think definitely some processes will end up being left to the subconscious and everyone who develops will probably achieve their unique brain structure that is suited to their experiences, but I just don't think that means a tulpa could somehow cause or direct the formation of these things more than singlets in a significant way.

8:18 PM

But I also really like the rest of it, I think. It is pretty good, and I think the cases are made clearly. I look forward to referring this guide to any newcomer I see, @Bethel🌸

Yes, I think it is a valuable read for those who would not like to be disillusioned by their own expectations.

<Ponytail> That last paragraph is more a cautious thing of me saying "maybe, in these very rare scenarios, this is possible." I'm not the kind of person to assume everything I know is the end-all-be-all

8:23 PM

<Ponytail> like, maaaayyybe with someone with alot of plasticity could still get some semblance of dividing tasks between them and their tulpas.

8:24 PM

<Ponytail> personally, the most I've ever done in that regard is walk while my tulpa thinks or vice versa

8:24 PM

<Ponytail> that's about the limit of it too, really basic shit

8:25 PM

<Ponytail> Unless me possessing and eating with one hand while my tup texts with the other is complex

8:25 PM

Some tulpas make other tulpas but it's no different than just having another tulpa

Oh, the last paragraph of-- of the parallel processing thing? I understand, sort of. There are times where one can demonstrate a very limited form of parallelism, but I just think singlets are capable as much as we are.

8:32 PM

Wishful thinking combined with a sort of social or wishful suggestion and tiny pieces of evidence can sometimes lead to years of self deception.

<Ponytail> which was the point of the paragraph

8:32 PM

<Ponytail> thus why I said it'd be no different than singlets

Right, I think we may be on the same page. I am overly cautious about this sort of thing because I used to "prove" some parallel processing back in the day.

<Ponytail> When I first tried to parallel process I switched instead

8:34 PM

<Ponytail> "oops"

That's pretty cool, actually. I uhh, I did the very basic forms of parallel processing that were confabulatory, and then some very strong evidence by actually solving problems on my own time while my host watched anime or did whatever he did.

8:36 PM

But the problem was solved not by objective thought and laying out a discrete answer, it was solved by abstract thought and informing my host to write down the direction of proof. So i didn't even have to have the answer, all I had was a better proof direction that unfolded in the answer. This can be a result of subconscious problem solving.

8:38 PM

Regardless, you can post that link as much as you like to refer newcomers to it. It's perfectly fine to shill your own work when it is a good beginners resource. I only wish there were a way to make it more accessible.

Is shilling your own work normally not recommended?

I am going to save it to have it ready too.

8:40 PM

I don't know, I think it should be okay if it's fine for the channel context. But they kind of self-deprecated the action so I just had to be sure they knew it would be okay.

Ah

hmm, how could it be more accessible then?

I don't know how. In an IRC channel, it could be put in the topic, but on Discord I have no clue.

Maybe pin it?

There are topics in Discord?

9:50 PM

Pinning it, yes.

"topic" would be the channel description, I'd presume

nods

If there is a way to fuse the link to this channel, then it isn't obvious enough for a newcomer to discord to see. I still can't find where it would be made accessible

You can right-click a message and "pin" it. Then it will appear under the pushpin icon.

9:56 PM

"You" meaning someone with permissions to pin messages, of course!

Oh, but I would have to clear that with staff first. It might be a good idea if pinning makes a message obvious. I think it does serve a good role in showing newcomers that their beliefs and preconceptions are some of the most important and first things to work on when it comes to making a tulpa.